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jack kennedy, ronald reagan -- >> oh, now you're jack kennedy. >> don't bring up that. at one point during tonight's debate, paul ryan described the stimulus law as a giveaway to special interest groups. vice president biden had prepared a response to that one. >> i love my friend here. i'm not allowed to show letters, but go on our website. he sent me two letters saying, by the way, can you send me some stimulus money for companies here in the state of wisconsin. we sent millions of dollars. you know why he -- >> you did ask for stimulus money? >> won it occasions. we advocated for constituents who were applying for grants. that's what we do. >> i love that. i love that. this is such a bad program, and he writes me a letter saying the reason we need this stimulus, it will create growth and jobs. his words. i wish he would just tell -- be a little more candid. >> unlike last week's presidential debate, tonight's debate did include some discussion of women's health issues, specifically each side's stance on abortion. >> if the romney/ryan ticket, if those that believe ab
jack kennedy, ronald reagan -- >> oh, now you're jack kennedy. >> don't bring up that. at one point during tonight's debate, paul ryan described the stimulus law as a giveaway to special interest groups. vice president biden had prepared a response to that one. >> i love my friend here. i'm not allowed to show letters, but go on our website. he sent me two letters saying, by the way, can you send me some stimulus money for companies here in the state of wisconsin. we sent...
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. >> jack kennedy lowered tax rates, increased growth. >> now you're jack kennedy. >> here's how cnn scored it, practically a tie. vice president biden's son beau will discuss. first, governor romney on the warpath over libya, saying joe biden is in complete denial when he said during the debate last night the white house had no clue the u.s. consulate in benghazi wanted more security before the deadly attack that killed the ambassador. let's get right to our first guest to talk about it. republican congressman mike rogers, chairman of the house select committee on intelligence. mr. rogers, thank you for joining me. let me ask you straight away about your reaction to this issue that's now blowing up pretty big today about what joe biden said about what was known by we, and i use the word we advisedly. let's play first of all what was said by joe biden and by paul ryan in the debate last night. >> this is becoming more troubling by the day. they first blamed the youtube video. now they're trying to blame the romney/ryan ticket for making this an issue. >> we weren't told they wanted m
. >> jack kennedy lowered tax rates, increased growth. >> now you're jack kennedy. >> here's how cnn scored it, practically a tie. vice president biden's son beau will discuss. first, governor romney on the warpath over libya, saying joe biden is in complete denial when he said during the debate last night the white house had no clue the u.s. consulate in benghazi wanted more security before the deadly attack that killed the ambassador. let's get right to our first guest to...
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. >> jack kennedy lowered tax rates and increased growth. >> now you're jack kennedy. >> this is amazing. >> republicans and democrats have worked together on this. i understand you guys aren't used to bipartisan deals. >> when we did it with reagan, he said these are the things we'll cut. >> we'll fill in the details. >> that's how you get things done. you work with congress -- look, let me say it this way. >> republican congress, working bipartisanly. 7% rating, come on. >> 87% of legislators were democrats. he didn't dem niz them, dem going to them, he met with them every week, reached across the aisle, didn't compromise principles, and he balanced the budget. >> if he did such a great job. a great job -- >> without raising taxes. >> why isn't he contesting massachusetts? >> what would you suggest beyond raising taxes on the wealthy that would substantially reduce the long-term deficit. >> let taxes expire like they are supposed to on millionaires. we can't afford this going to people making a minimum of a million dollars. they don't need it tho. middle class people need the help. why
. >> jack kennedy lowered tax rates and increased growth. >> now you're jack kennedy. >> this is amazing. >> republicans and democrats have worked together on this. i understand you guys aren't used to bipartisan deals. >> when we did it with reagan, he said these are the things we'll cut. >> we'll fill in the details. >> that's how you get things done. you work with congress -- look, let me say it this way. >> republican congress, working...
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in the meantime go back to jack for the cafferty file. jack. >> the question this hour is why obama won't talk about benghazi instead of talking about big bird. pete writes from georgia, jack, consider his worshipping followers. 90% of them probably think benghazi's an italian line of shoes while feeling right at home with stories about big bird. for him to deal with reality on any is a line of italian shoes. >> rod writes that obama has to distract any attention from his record. they failed to secure the consulate in ben zazy. r writes personally, i don't want him to talk about it, especially when there's an investigation going on. did it not occur to anyone that there's a reason no terrorist group has taken responsibility? do you think it's a safe idea for the president or the secretary of state to broadcast what they know about the situation? mark says obama can avoid talking about what happened because the liberal media won't ask him the tough questions. b.j. says the administration can't talk about anything bad that happened on the a
in the meantime go back to jack for the cafferty file. jack. >> the question this hour is why obama won't talk about benghazi instead of talking about big bird. pete writes from georgia, jack, consider his worshipping followers. 90% of them probably think benghazi's an italian line of shoes while feeling right at home with stories about big bird. for him to deal with reality on any is a line of italian shoes. >> rod writes that obama has to distract any attention from his record....
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we have them since 1952 with jack kennedy and richard nixon. >> greta: i don't think they thought it through, whether or not it would bey questions, 20-minute break, load the teleprompter and come back on and answer it. >> that's unbelievable. this is madison, this is an outstanding school and bright kids there. you know? not good, greta. >> greta: all right. let's go -- okay. let's go to the former vice-president of the united states. he suggested that the reason might be that denver is a mile-high city and the altitude was high and that may have made it difficult because president obama just arrived that afternoon. >> is he aware that the president gave his acceptance speech inent 08 in an open stadium in denver? didn't seem to bother him there. he did a great job in denver. i don't know what the president is thinking. but, you know, really, let me say this. i have never seen tbut almost expected it the next morning. it was all out, a pack of lies, romney had told lies, changed his position, misrepresented things. got his facts wrong. it came down to a simple question. if he did th
we have them since 1952 with jack kennedy and richard nixon. >> greta: i don't think they thought it through, whether or not it would bey questions, 20-minute break, load the teleprompter and come back on and answer it. >> that's unbelievable. this is madison, this is an outstanding school and bright kids there. you know? not good, greta. >> greta: all right. let's go -- okay. let's go to the former vice-president of the united states. he suggested that the reason might be...
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jack kennedy lowered tax rates, increased growth. ronald reagan... >> oh, now, you're jack kennedy. >> woodruff: abortion also figured as a key issue in the debate. both men are catholics, and they were asked to describe their position, based on their faith. >> i don't see how a person can separate their public life from their private life or from their faith. and i respect people who don't agree with me on this. but the policy of a romney administration will be to oppose abortion, with the exceptions for rape, incest, and life of the mother. >> life begins at conception. that's the church's judgment. i accept it in my personal life. i just refuse to impose that on others, unlike my friend here, the congressman. i do not believe that we have a right to tell other people that women, they... they can't control their body. it's a decision between them and their doctor, in my view. and the supreme court-- i'm not going to interfere with that. >> woodruff: biden warned a conservative supreme court majority would overturn a woman's right t
jack kennedy lowered tax rates, increased growth. ronald reagan... >> oh, now, you're jack kennedy. >> woodruff: abortion also figured as a key issue in the debate. both men are catholics, and they were asked to describe their position, based on their faith. >> i don't see how a person can separate their public life from their private life or from their faith. and i respect people who don't agree with me on this. but the policy of a romney administration will be to oppose...
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. >> now you are jack kennedy. [overlapping dialogue] >> republicans and democrats have worked together on this -- >> that's right. >> i understand you are not used -- >> we told you what we are going to do. when we did it with reagan, he said, we are going to do this. >> that's how you get things done. let me say it this way -- >> from the republican congress, working bipartisanly? 7% rating. >> mitt romney was governor of massachusetts where 87% of the legislators were democrats. he didn't demonize them or demagogue them, he met with them every week, he reached across the aisle and he balanced the budget [overlapping dialogue] >> martha: vice-president, what -- >> [overlapping dialogue] -- >> why isn't he even contesting massachusetts? >> martha: what would you suggest beyond raising taxes on the wealthy -- >> just let the tax expire like they are supposed to those millionaires. we can't afford $800 billion going to people making a minimum of $1 million. they do not need it, martha. those 120,000 families make $8
. >> now you are jack kennedy. [overlapping dialogue] >> republicans and democrats have worked together on this -- >> that's right. >> i understand you are not used -- >> we told you what we are going to do. when we did it with reagan, he said, we are going to do this. >> that's how you get things done. let me say it this way -- >> from the republican congress, working bipartisanly? 7% rating. >> mitt romney was governor of massachusetts where 87%...
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. >> i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> reporter: memorable moments, but hardly game-changers. while presidential debates can affect the outcome of an election, vice presidential debates like this week's upcoming match-up between vice president biden and his gop challenger paul ryan, are a different animal. >> you need to be able to see that each vice presidential candidate has hit the standard of readiness, that they will be ready in an emergency in a national crisis to be able to step into the oval office and to take the reins of the presidency. but beyond that in terms of the actual debate itself, unless there is a star killing or star catching moment, it rarely changes the course of the debate. >> reporter: democratic strategist donna bazille says the first rule is to do no harm. >> in terms of substance try not to break new ground. this is about 2012 and the top of the ticket. >> i don't like a damn thing about him. >> biden, who participated in more than 20 debates and forums in the
. >> i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> reporter: memorable moments, but hardly game-changers. while presidential debates can affect the outcome of an election, vice presidential debates like this week's upcoming match-up between vice president biden and his gop challenger paul ryan, are a different animal. >> you need to be able to see that each vice presidential candidate has hit the standard of readiness, that they...
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you're no jack kennedy. didn't affect the outcome of the race. what matters here is the democrats have to re-establish a case both on the offense and really the defense. what they want to do and the port rat they want to paint of the republicans. president obama really failed to do either one of those things. he failed to identify a compelling second term agenda that he wants to put out, and he really didn't identify or reinforce the arguments that his ticket has made against the republicans for months, and i think there will be enormous pressure on the vice president to kind of move both of those lines of argument forward tonight. >> do you think we're going to hear from the vice president some of the things that the president did not mention, the 47% comment that mitt romney made, the role of bain capital, the issue of how much he pays in taxes? >> well, i think some of the things about romney himself. >> he has made arguments like that, repeatedly, dozen of times, it is central to his view of the debate about the role of government. he has rep
you're no jack kennedy. didn't affect the outcome of the race. what matters here is the democrats have to re-establish a case both on the offense and really the defense. what they want to do and the port rat they want to paint of the republicans. president obama really failed to do either one of those things. he failed to identify a compelling second term agenda that he wants to put out, and he really didn't identify or reinforce the arguments that his ticket has made against the republicans...
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. >> jack kennedy proposed tax increase growth. >> now you're jack kennedy. this is amazing. >> republicans and democrats have worked together on this. i understand you guys aren't used to doing bipartisan deal. >> but we told you what we're going to do. when we did it reagan. >> here's the framework and work together to fill in the details. >> fill in the details. >> that's how you get things done. look, let me say it. >> that's coming from a republican congress working bipartisanly 7% rating. >> mitt romney was governor of massachusetts where 87% of the legislators he served with were democrats. he didn't demonize them. he didn't demagogue them. met with those party leaders every week. he reached across the & he didn't compromise principles and found common ground. >> if he did such a great job -- if he did such a great job in massachusetts why isn't he even contesting in massachusetts? >> what would you suggest beyond raising taxes on the wealthy that would substantially reduce the long-term deficit? >> let the taxes expire like they are supposed to on tho
. >> jack kennedy proposed tax increase growth. >> now you're jack kennedy. this is amazing. >> republicans and democrats have worked together on this. i understand you guys aren't used to doing bipartisan deal. >> but we told you what we're going to do. when we did it reagan. >> here's the framework and work together to fill in the details. >> fill in the details. >> that's how you get things done. look, let me say it. >> that's coming from a...
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. >> jack kennedy. >> oh, now you're jack kennedy? this is amazing. >> republicans and democrats have worked together -- i understand you guys -- >> we told each other what we're going to do when we did it. when we did it with reagan, here's what he said. fill in the detail. >> you work with congress. look, let me say it this way. >> coming from a republican congress, working bipartisanly? 7% rating? >> mitt romney was governor of massachusetts, where 87% of the legislators he served with were democrat. he didn't demonize them. he didn't demagogue them. he reached across the aisle. he didn't compromise principles. >> and you saw what happened. if he did such a great job -- >> vice president -- >> why isn't he even contesting massachusetts? >> what would you suggest, beyond raising taxes on the wealthy, that would substantially reduce -- >> just let the taxes expire like they're supposed to on those millionaires. we can't afford $800 billion going to people making a minimum of $1 million. they do not need it, martha. those 120,000 from
. >> jack kennedy. >> oh, now you're jack kennedy? this is amazing. >> republicans and democrats have worked together -- i understand you guys -- >> we told each other what we're going to do when we did it. when we did it with reagan, here's what he said. fill in the detail. >> you work with congress. look, let me say it this way. >> coming from a republican congress, working bipartisanly? 7% rating? >> mitt romney was governor of massachusetts, where...
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jack kennedy lowered tax rates and increased growth. >> now you're jack kennedy? >> and that is what most americans care about. and the former chairman of the council of economic advisors. nice to see you, austin. >> thank you, kbreta. >> greta: at the time tel me. were you surprised unemployment rate went down to 7.8%? is that a surprise. >> yes. it was a, if you look at data looks like it was an outlier there is a lot of variables on the numbers and it's bigger than i thought it would be. >> greta: is a number you're confident of? though you're surprised?. >> i would probably say some component of statistics. i won't be surprise fd it ticks up a little bit next month. the survey of people which is what the unemployment rate comes from has a job creation margin of error plus or minus 400,000 per month. anyone as i say, every month take a three-month average if you want to know how the job market is doing. >> greta: let me ask you about a three month average. this is what i said tonight. he said job growth in slept slower than in august. he said august slower than
jack kennedy lowered tax rates and increased growth. >> now you're jack kennedy? >> and that is what most americans care about. and the former chairman of the council of economic advisors. nice to see you, austin. >> thank you, kbreta. >> greta: at the time tel me. were you surprised unemployment rate went down to 7.8%? is that a surprise. >> yes. it was a, if you look at data looks like it was an outlier there is a lot of variables on the numbers and it's bigger...
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kennedy drew this blistering response from his opponent, lloyd benson. >> senator, you are no jack kennedy. >> the debate in 1992 was described as a free-for-all with dan quayle and al gore continually interrupting each other. >> in foreign countries -- >> just not -- >> foreign aid -- senator, it's in your book. >> vice president dick cheney and senator john edwards barely kept their debate civil in 2004, with cheney blasting edwards for his attendance record in congress. >> the first time i ever met you was when you walked on the stage tonight. >> in thursday's debate, biden is expected to go after paul ryan on issues like medicaid, social security and foreign policy. >> i wouldn't be surprised if you got a zinger or two from joe biden. i don't think he's worried about being perceived as talking down to paul ryan. >> and the personal moments could matter, too. biden showed his emotional side during his last debate. >> look, i understand what it's like to be a single parent. when my wife and daughter died and my two sons were gravely injured, i understand what it's like as a parent to won
kennedy drew this blistering response from his opponent, lloyd benson. >> senator, you are no jack kennedy. >> the debate in 1992 was described as a free-for-all with dan quayle and al gore continually interrupting each other. >> in foreign countries -- >> just not -- >> foreign aid -- senator, it's in your book. >> vice president dick cheney and senator john edwards barely kept their debate civil in 2004, with cheney blasting edwards for his attendance...
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. >> it has never been -- >> jack kennedy lowered -- >> oh, be now you're jack kennedy? >> republicans and democrats have worked together on this. >> was that nervous laughter of the audience that you could hear? whol had to meet the threshold of competency and he did. biden scored points on substance. don't be surprised if we hear the most effective lines of attack from the president himself at next week's town hall-style debate in new york. the question is, how much was biden hurt on style. republicans did what they could to turn him into al gore, the eye rolls, sighs, that kind of thing. >> he reminded me of al gore in 2000 walking over and standing by president bush and getting in his face. >> i don't know if he thought it was a joke but he was laughing a lot. >> it was bizarre. i thought it was belittling. >> when the other side is spending their time tweeting and going after eye rolls and smirks, they are losing the debate and everybody knows it. >> the problem for republicans with the gore narrative, al gore did something we had never seen him do. democratic base
. >> it has never been -- >> jack kennedy lowered -- >> oh, be now you're jack kennedy? >> republicans and democrats have worked together on this. >> was that nervous laughter of the audience that you could hear? whol had to meet the threshold of competency and he did. biden scored points on substance. don't be surprised if we hear the most effective lines of attack from the president himself at next week's town hall-style debate in new york. the question is, how...
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. >> it has been done before, jack kennedy lowered taxes and increased growth. >> now are you jack kennedy. >> this is amazing. >> republicans and democrats have worked together on this. >> that's right. >> i understand you aren't used to being by artisan. >> but we told what we were going to do, when we did it with reagan we said here is what we will cut, this is what he said. show the details. >> that is how you get things done, let me say it this way. >> that is coming from the republican congress, working bipartisanly? 7% rating? come on. >> mitt romney was governor of massachusetts where 87% of the legislators he served with were democrats. he didn't demonize them. he didn't demogue them. he met with those party leaders every week. he reached across the aisle, he didn't compromise principless. >> and you saw what happened. >> he balanced the budget. >> if he did such a great job-- why isn't he even contesting massachusetts. >> what would you suggest beyond raising taxes on the wealthy that would substantially -- >> just let taxes expire like they are supposed to on those millionaires.
. >> it has been done before, jack kennedy lowered taxes and increased growth. >> now are you jack kennedy. >> this is amazing. >> republicans and democrats have worked together on this. >> that's right. >> i understand you aren't used to being by artisan. >> but we told what we were going to do, when we did it with reagan we said here is what we will cut, this is what he said. show the details. >> that is how you get things done, let me say it...
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. >> now you are jack kennedy. [laughter] >> republicans and democrats have worked together on this. i understand you guys are not used to doing bipartisan deals. that is how you get things done. >> the republican congress working? 7% rating? >> mitt romney was governor of massachusetts. he did not demonize them, he did not demagogue them. he met with those party leaders every week. he did not compromise principles. he balanced the budget. >> why isn't he contesting massachusetts? >> what would you suggest beyond raising taxes on the wealthy? >> let the taxes expire like they were supposed to on these millionaires. we cannot afford $800 billion going to people making a minimum of a million dollars. they do not need it, martha. those 120,000 families make $800 million a year. why is my friend -- >> can you declare anything off-limits? home mortgage deductions? >> this taxes a million small businesses. >> 97% of the small businesses make less than $250,000 a year. >> this taxes a million people. >> 97%. >> and you're
. >> now you are jack kennedy. [laughter] >> republicans and democrats have worked together on this. i understand you guys are not used to doing bipartisan deals. that is how you get things done. >> the republican congress working? 7% rating? >> mitt romney was governor of massachusetts. he did not demonize them, he did not demagogue them. he met with those party leaders every week. he did not compromise principles. he balanced the budget. >> why isn't he...
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. >> now you're jack kennedy. >> ronald reagan -- >> reporter: it is a busy day today for three of the four guys on the ticket. mitt romney is on his way from north carolina, in virginia later this evening, he meets up with paul ryan for a big joint event in ohio. joe biden is going to paul ryan's home state of wisconsin. meanwhile, president obama actually has sort of a down day at the white house, though he does have a dinner with a bunch of campaign supporters. matt? >> chuck todd, thank you very much. rachel maddow is the host of msnbc's rachel maddow show. coffee is on me. going s debate, everybody said the goal of joe biden was to steady the ship, calm the nerves on the democratic side. did he do that? >> absolutely. democrats are psyched joe biden had a great night. you said at the top there was no clear winner and that may be, but it was important for the democrats that paul ryan not be the clear winner. most democrats, i don't know about independents, but most democrats think joe biden won. >> i think there's no winner because of joe biden's style, his demeanor. if we learned
. >> now you're jack kennedy. >> ronald reagan -- >> reporter: it is a busy day today for three of the four guys on the ticket. mitt romney is on his way from north carolina, in virginia later this evening, he meets up with paul ryan for a big joint event in ohio. joe biden is going to paul ryan's home state of wisconsin. meanwhile, president obama actually has sort of a down day at the white house, though he does have a dinner with a bunch of campaign supporters. matt?...
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. >> i served with jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> that was really uncalled for, senator. >> all that trickle down, i call it niagra falls. >> senator dole and mr. kemp would put the the american economy and a barrel and send it over the falls. >> i see my wife and she's thinking i wish you would go in the private sec sor. zwl i'm going to try to help you do that. >> thinking of your plan, barack obama's offered a clear plan. >> your plan is a white flag of surrender. surrender. >> this is cnn. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >>> the vice presidential candidates, front and center tonight in a campaign that's very close once again. >> just 26 days before the election and we're seeing these debates tonight. >> a young gun republican appearing in his first national debate. >> we can turn this around. it is not too late to revive the american dream. >> an experienced democrat, returning to a familiar stage. >> they just have no credibility. it's not just what you say, it's what you don't. >> both
. >> i served with jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> that was really uncalled for, senator. >> all that trickle down, i call it niagra falls. >> senator dole and mr. kemp would put the the american economy and a barrel and send it over the falls. >> i see my wife and she's thinking i wish you would go in the private sec sor. zwl i'm going to try to help you do that. >> thinking of your plan, barack obama's...
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. >> i served with jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> that was really uncalled for, senator. >> you call that trickle down, i call it niagra falls. >> senator dole, mr. kent would put the american economy in a barrel and send it over the falls. >> i can see my wife. and i think she's thinking i wish you would go out into the private sector. >> i'm going to try to help you do that. >> with all due respect in your plan barack obama's offered a clear plan. >> your plan is a white flag of surrender. >>> happening now, countdown to tonight's vice presidential debate. we're covering it like no other network. first, a cnn exclusive. paul ryan tells us about his preparations to go head-to-head with vice president joe biden. standby. also behind the scenes photos and new details from vice president biden's practice sessions. and new polls from the swing states are coming in. they show why tonight's debate is more crucial than ever for both men at the top of the ticket. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation
. >> i served with jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> that was really uncalled for, senator. >> you call that trickle down, i call it niagra falls. >> senator dole, mr. kent would put the american economy in a barrel and send it over the falls. >> i can see my wife. and i think she's thinking i wish you would go out into the private sector. >> i'm going to try to help you do that. >> with all due respect...
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. >> senator, i served with jack kennedy. i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> it can be a tough line for a washington veteran to walk, touting experience without talking down to an opponent. something that george h.w. bush failed at during his 1984 debate with geraldine ferraro. >> let me help you with the difference, miss ferraro, between iran and the embassy in lebanon. >> geraldine ferraro, the first ever female vp candidate, shot back with this. >> let me just say, first of all, that i almost resent, vice president bush, your patronizing attitude that you have to teach me about foreign policy. >> sometime just one line can cement the public's view of a candidate. ross perot's running mate, admiral james stockdale, initially got laughs for this opening line. >> who am i? why am i here? >> he ended up the butt of jokes for years to come. then there was bob dole's nasty tone during the '76 debate that helped shape a long-lasting negative image for the future nominee for president. >> i figured out the other day, if we added
. >> senator, i served with jack kennedy. i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> it can be a tough line for a washington veteran to walk, touting experience without talking down to an opponent. something that george h.w. bush failed at during his 1984 debate with geraldine ferraro. >> let me help you with the difference, miss ferraro, between iran and the embassy in lebanon. >> geraldine ferraro, the first ever female...
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. >> senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> reporter: tonight, in a heated exchange about taxes, an echo of that moment. >> the only way you can find $5 trillion in loopholes, is cut the morning deduction for middle class people. cut the health care deduction for middle class people. take away their ability to get a tax break to send their kids to college. that's why they are -- >> is he wrong about that? >> he is wrong about that. it's been done before. >> it has never been done before. >> a couple of times. >> jack kennedy -- >> oh, now you're jack kennedy. >> ronald reagan -- >> reporter: at the end, each man summed up and both chose to attack. >> my friend says that 30% of the american people are takers. romney points out 47% of the people won't take responsibility. he's talking about my mother and father. talking about the places i grew up, my neighbors. he's talking about, he's talking about the people that built this country. all they're looking for is an even shot. >> president obama, he had his chance. he made his choices. this is not what a real recovery looks like. you deserve
. >> senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> reporter: tonight, in a heated exchange about taxes, an echo of that moment. >> the only way you can find $5 trillion in loopholes, is cut the morning deduction for middle class people. cut the health care deduction for middle class people. take away their ability to get a tax break to send their kids to college. that's why they are -- >> is he wrong about that? >> he is wrong about that. it's been done before. >> it...
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. >> jack kennedy lowered -- >> oh, now you're jack kennedy. >> ronald reagan. this is amazing. >> republicans and democrats have worked together on this. >> that's right. >> i understand you guys aren't used to doing bipartisan deals. >> here are the things we're going to cut. this is what he said. >> we're going to fill in the details. >> fill in the details. >> that's how you get things done. you work with congress. let me say this this way. >> that's coming from the republican congress working bipartisanly, 7% rating. >> mitt romney was governor of massachusetts where 87% of the legislators he searched with were democrats. he didn't demonize them. he didn't demagogue them. he met with those party leaders every week. he reached across the aisle. he didn't compromise principles. >> you saw what happened. if he did such a great job -- if he did such a great job in massachusetts, why isn't he even contested massachusetts? >> let them expire on those millionaires? we can't afford $800 billion going to people making a minimum of $1 million. they do not need it, ma
. >> jack kennedy lowered -- >> oh, now you're jack kennedy. >> ronald reagan. this is amazing. >> republicans and democrats have worked together on this. >> that's right. >> i understand you guys aren't used to doing bipartisan deals. >> here are the things we're going to cut. this is what he said. >> we're going to fill in the details. >> fill in the details. >> that's how you get things done. you work with congress. let me say this...
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i knew jack kennedy and you're not jack kennedy, but that turned well for mr. quayle. >> he became the vice president of the united states. didn't he? a not so strong debate performance. overshadowed, out-debated by the elder lloyd benson back in 1988. i remember it well. my first president's campaign. and yet george h.w. bush went on to win the election. not just win the election, but win 40 states. 40 of the 50 states, george h.w. bush won in 1988. if anyone tells you what they know is going to happen on november 6th, i'd roll your eyes. a lot to talk about. two passionate guys representing the two ends of america's political, ideological spectrum. however, romney and obama lead the ticket. that's who people vote for on election day. >> passion and zingers and sound bites aside, in a 24/7 news cycle and only a couple days away from a very important presidential debate. how much sticking power will tonight have? >> a great question. one of the thingses that happens out of debates. what moments get replayed and replayed and replayed, not only on television but
i knew jack kennedy and you're not jack kennedy, but that turned well for mr. quayle. >> he became the vice president of the united states. didn't he? a not so strong debate performance. overshadowed, out-debated by the elder lloyd benson back in 1988. i remember it well. my first president's campaign. and yet george h.w. bush went on to win the election. not just win the election, but win 40 states. 40 of the 50 states, george h.w. bush won in 1988. if anyone tells you what they know is...
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. >> jack kennedy lowered -- >> now you're jack kennedy? >> both campaigns are claiming victory. >> mr. ryan said that governor romney was a car guy. if they have an elevator stacked on their couch, i guess he was. >> there was one person on stage who was thought full, respect l respectful, steady and poised, the kind of person you want to turn to in a crisis and that was the next vice president of the united states, paul ryan. i see these obama rallies and they're chanting four more years. our cheer is four more weeks. >> guys, i have to say, that was easily my most favorite debate of the season so far. i think biden was the clear winner, gave democrats the shot of energy they needed, hammered them on the 47%, hammered him on lying, said the facts matter. the moment where they talked about abortion was so destructive because ryan said i'm going to make you all do what i believe in my catholic doctrine and biden said, hey, i believe this, i respect catholic doctrine but i'll let you do what you want to do and made the case that the supreme
. >> jack kennedy lowered -- >> now you're jack kennedy? >> both campaigns are claiming victory. >> mr. ryan said that governor romney was a car guy. if they have an elevator stacked on their couch, i guess he was. >> there was one person on stage who was thought full, respect l respectful, steady and poised, the kind of person you want to turn to in a crisis and that was the next vice president of the united states, paul ryan. i see these obama rallies and they're...
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kennedy lowered rated -- >> oh now you are jack kennedy. [ laughter ] >> one of the astounding things about this whole thing, and the vice president make the point last night but romney in the first debate said he is not going to cut taxes on people. they will pay the same amount if that is it where is his job program? if he is not going to reduce their taxes, where is his job program? he doesn't have one. >> stephanie: yeah. >> this whole thing about raising taxes on small business banks is hysterical. ryan said 53% of income would fall under small business income. but 53% of small business income is earned by 3% of the businesses. they are not small businesses. they are very profitable organizations. >> stephanie: exactly. i couldn't be happier -- what -- obviously you have been talking to a lot of people since the debate. what was your sense? >> i thought everybody on our side thought it was a home run. and i'm not the first one to say this, but the fact that the republican were harping on joe being ruud and smiling too much understand that they lost on substance substantially. the
kennedy lowered rated -- >> oh now you are jack kennedy. [ laughter ] >> one of the astounding things about this whole thing, and the vice president make the point last night but romney in the first debate said he is not going to cut taxes on people. they will pay the same amount if that is it where is his job program? if he is not going to reduce their taxes, where is his job program? he doesn't have one. >> stephanie: yeah. >> this whole thing about raising taxes on...
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kennedy, i knew jack kennedy, jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> now here's an object lesson for joe biden in a positive sense. eight years ago, dick cheney sat down against john edwards and he helped george w. bush stop the bleeding from bush's poor debate against john kerry. here's how that went. >> your hometown newspaper has taken to calling you senator gone. you've got one of the worst attendance records in the united states senate. the first time i ever met you was when you walked on the stage tonight. >> that was a complete distortion of my record. i know that won't come as a shock. it's amazing to hear him criticize my record or john kerry's. >> 30 seconds. >> i think his record speaks for itself and frankly it's not very distinguished. >> so what you have there is an older, experienced vice president, adopting just the right tone of kunds sencion to a younger rival. joe biden will try to do that against paul ryan tonight, guys. >> man, watching those clips -- >> gets us ready. >> spicy already. thank you
kennedy, i knew jack kennedy, jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> now here's an object lesson for joe biden in a positive sense. eight years ago, dick cheney sat down against john edwards and he helped george w. bush stop the bleeding from bush's poor debate against john kerry. here's how that went. >> your hometown newspaper has taken to calling you senator gone. you've got one of the worst attendance records in the united states senate. the first...
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. >>> senator, i served with jack kennedy. i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> part of why the stakes feel so high tonight is that incumbent presidents almost always lose to the candidate challenging them in their first debate. the exception to that is bill clinton beating dole in their first debate in '96. other than that every time the first debate has been a killer for the incokucumbent president. president carter lost to ronald reagan, president reagan lost his first debate to robert mondale. president bush lost his first debate to bill clinton and ross perot. next president bush lost his first debate to john kerry. so when president obama lost his first debate last week to his challenger, mitt romney, that outcome was totally in keeping with the sad, sad incumbent president tradition of getting creamed in their first debate. but what hat means for tonight is that the democrats are looking for a solid performance to try to stop the republican momentum, to try to quash the poll imbalance that romney and ryan have been enjoy
. >>> senator, i served with jack kennedy. i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> part of why the stakes feel so high tonight is that incumbent presidents almost always lose to the candidate challenging them in their first debate. the exception to that is bill clinton beating dole in their first debate in '96. other than that every time the first debate has been a killer for the incokucumbent president. president carter lost to...
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jack kennedy lowers tax rates and -- >> now you're jack kennedy. >> joining us now here in new york is salon.com's joan walsh and in washington michael scherer white house correspondent for "time." >> did i not know jack kennedy. he was not a friend of mine but i feel confident in saying paul ryan is no jack kennedy. would you agree? >> i would agree with that. and he walked right into that. he wahanded that to joe biden a it was hilarious. michael, my friend, literally my friend, not in the joe biden sense, michael is my friend, is in the beltway, i don't mean to dispaur raj beltway reporters, but paul ryan has been given such a pass. he has a reputation for being a worngy guy, good at the numbers. his numbers have never added up. he has this reputation for being a deficit hawk. as joe biden said he voted for the wars, for the new medicare -- >> the prescription drug benefit. >> he voted -- >> the bush tax cuts. >> the bush tax cuts, all of the bush budgets. he voted for a bush stimulus. in addition to voting against obama stimulus but asking for money, he voted for bush stimulus and
jack kennedy lowers tax rates and -- >> now you're jack kennedy. >> joining us now here in new york is salon.com's joan walsh and in washington michael scherer white house correspondent for "time." >> did i not know jack kennedy. he was not a friend of mine but i feel confident in saying paul ryan is no jack kennedy. would you agree? >> i would agree with that. and he walked right into that. he wahanded that to joe biden a it was hilarious. michael, my friend,...
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i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> reporter: now, larry, i had a great conversation yesterday with former senator bob dole who of course both of us know. bob dole said he expects joe biden to come out swinging and not to let up. and in this race -- a race this close, this might even make a difference, not a whole lot but enough to measure. larry? >> john harwood, thank you very much. we appreciate it. >>> mitt romney's taken his post-debate momentum straight on to team obama turf. this is interesting. obama's lost his hold on florida, virginia and ohio. those number have now gone to romney. romney has now gone behind enemy lines to challenge in michigan and pennsylvania. that's also new. all this comes as the romney rally continues in the latest polls. rasmussen has romney up by one. investors business daily has romney leading obama by five, 49-44. there's the daily tracking poll. with tomorrow night's debate, won't the inevitable paul ryan victory just send team obama over the edge
i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> reporter: now, larry, i had a great conversation yesterday with former senator bob dole who of course both of us know. bob dole said he expects joe biden to come out swinging and not to let up. and in this race -- a race this close, this might even make a difference, not a whole lot but enough to measure. larry? >> john harwood, thank you very much. we appreciate it. >>> mitt...
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kennedy when he was running for president and lloyd benson says, you're no jack kennedy. >> right. as the story goes, quale was warned not to make that comparison in his debate prep but for some reason it just stuck in his head as an effective tool but it blew up on him. >> and the funny thing is though, tamron, i talked to quale a couple of days ago. he said, i still benefitted the republican ticket in 1988 and in 1992 because i did what vice presidential candidates need to do in debatsz, not focus on the guy across the hall for me. yes, benson got a good line off on me, i focused on michael dukakis, bill clinton in 1992, and i think you can expect that paul ryan is going to do the same thing. >> john harwood, a big night. thank you so much for your time. i'll see you soon, john. that does it for this edition of "news nation." i'm tamron hall. stay with msnbc tonight with special primetime coverage of the vice presidential debate at 8:00 p.m. eastern. "the cycle" is up next. that ma. with wholesome noodles and bite sized chicken, nothing brings you together like chicken noodle sou
kennedy when he was running for president and lloyd benson says, you're no jack kennedy. >> right. as the story goes, quale was warned not to make that comparison in his debate prep but for some reason it just stuck in his head as an effective tool but it blew up on him. >> and the funny thing is though, tamron, i talked to quale a couple of days ago. he said, i still benefitted the republican ticket in 1988 and in 1992 because i did what vice presidential candidates need to do in...
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jack kennedy increased -- >> now you're jack kennedy? >> some of those punches landed on both sides last night. this is what's happening over my shoulder. construction workers are taking apart what was martha raditz's desk. they're taking down the lights, et cetera, as they break down and start clean iing up what wa done here last night. cnn snap poll of debate watchers taken right after the dough bait shows that paul ryan won, ahead of four points. if you look at the margin of error, which is plus or minus five points, that poll is right within the margin of error. so, basically, it was a tie. want to get right to cnn contributor erick erickson, editor in chief of redstate.com. nice to see you, erick. >> thank you. >> you heard some of the back and forth last night, some of the highlights, i would guess. both sides have proclaimed that their guy won. you heard it in the spin room. i've seen it on twitter. people coming to talk to me this morning, their person had the decisive victory. ultimately you're going after people who are undecid
jack kennedy increased -- >> now you're jack kennedy? >> some of those punches landed on both sides last night. this is what's happening over my shoulder. construction workers are taking apart what was martha raditz's desk. they're taking down the lights, et cetera, as they break down and start clean iing up what wa done here last night. cnn snap poll of debate watchers taken right after the dough bait shows that paul ryan won, ahead of four points. if you look at the margin of...
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. >> reporter: or ryan's attempt to compare the mitt romney tax plan to jack kennedy's. >> jack kennedy lowered tax rates. >> oh, now you're jack kennedy? >> reporter: ryan was able to fire back with a few zingers of his own. >> mr. vice president, i know you're under a lot of duress to make up for lost ground. i think the vice president very well knows that sometimes the words don't come out of your mouth the right way. >> reporter: republicans in the post debate spin room tried to make the case biden failed not only on style. >> quite frankly i was embarrassed for the vice president. i mean, the laughs. we counted 82 times that joe biden interrupted paul ryan. >> reporter: but also on substance pointing to the vice president's response on whether there was adequate security before the attack on the u.s. consulate in libya. >> and they wanted more security there. >> well, we weren't told they wanted more security. we did not know they wanted more security. >> we just had a major hearing on this. that was one of the heart -- the heart of the point was these requests went unheated. and o
. >> reporter: or ryan's attempt to compare the mitt romney tax plan to jack kennedy's. >> jack kennedy lowered tax rates. >> oh, now you're jack kennedy? >> reporter: ryan was able to fire back with a few zingers of his own. >> mr. vice president, i know you're under a lot of duress to make up for lost ground. i think the vice president very well knows that sometimes the words don't come out of your mouth the right way. >> reporter: republicans in the post...